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Reproduced from DMA Vol 4, Issue 10, November 1996
PETE BURNS ... STILL MAD, BAD AND DANGEROUS TO KNOW
by Jeff Richards
It was impossible to go to the club in the mid-to-late 80's
without hearing Dead Or Alive, or seeing lead singer Pete Burns
camping it up on the video monitors. After a string of worldwide
smash singles and albums, a long silence from the band led many
to question if Dead Or Alive was either. However, with their new
import release,"Nukleopatra," Pete Burns and producer Steve Coy
return to the formula that made Dead Or Alive pioneers in Hi-NRG
dance music. Currently on an extensive nationwide tour, Dead Or
Alive perform songs from their new release on Sony (Japan) as
well as previous hits, which are among some of the best-selling
dance records of all time. DMA caught up with Pete Burns at his
stop in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Many people, including DJs, are surprised that Dead Or Alive
is currently, on a promotional tour supporting
"Nukleopatra".
We're not actually promoting anything; we're on tour because we
want to be on a tour. The CD has done very well as an import all
over America; We've never just gone on the road to promote a
current release; we tour when we want to, really; we're fortunate
enough to get bookings with or without a release. The tour has
been quite successful; although it's been from one end of America
to the other—I've never done so many dates.
Do you foresee an American, record deal soon?
Well, there's definitely interest out there. There's been
interest all along. We're just searching for the right record
label to come along. The record companies would have to be stupid
not to see the potential, especially if all our shows are sold
out. There's a really big fan base out there!
Are there any labels in particular, you've talked with. Some
of the independent "dance music " labels sound like a great match
for DOA.'
"It' s kinda scary the idea of signing to a solely "dance
orientated" record label because, what if three years down the
line we don't want to do another dance record? I'd like a label
with a bit larger scope perhaps one with a very strong dance
department.
Is this a reflection of your experience wish Epic
records?
After our experience with Epic records, it makes you wary of
being with a record company again. The most fun we ever had was
when we were doing it on an independent level. Once you get into
the wheels of a big company like Epic, it turns into a bit of a
nightmare. You just become a product in every way... your
personality becomes product, your look becomes a product, and
your music just gets thrown into a big stew. I gotta say, all the
years that we spent with Epic records were a complete
nightmare!
How do you account for your huge following in Japan; do you
tour a lot there?
No, we go basically once a year; we do 70,000-seaters like the
Tokyo Dome. I really don't know how to account for it. Sony has
been brilliant in working the record, instead of focusing on the
publicity angle of the musicians and the band - they just solely
sold the record. This, in turn, makes you more cooperative with
the promotional aspects.
Are there plans to release any singles off of "Nukleopatra"?
Yes, I see one coming out very soon as a domestic release.
The title track?
It may be, or it may be "Rebel, Rebel."
How did the project with Glam come about?
They wrote me a letter. I had never really worked with anyone
else and was getting bored. I hadn't written anything for some
time. They couldn't speak English and I couldn't speak Italian;
but they sent me a very loose backing track, and me and Steve
(Coy) put it into some sort of pop format - it turned out to be
quite a good song, actually.
Besides the creative process of songwriting, how involved do
you get with the technical aspects of your music such as
producing and remixing?
'Very early on, during the first albums I was extremely involved;
then it got to the point where Steve [Coy] (the manager, drummer,
producer) sort developed almost a psychic link. When I spent so
much time in the studio I couldn't bear to go out and promote it
because I had heard it far too often; It really started to get
to me. There got to be a point after "Mad, Bad, and Dangerous To
Know," where I didn't ever want to see a recording studio again
because we were in there so long. In order to motivate me to
work, Steve took over that side of it. He doesn't lock himself
away in a studio, bring it home in a box and say 'there it is,'
I am involved in, 'yes, this is right, or no this is wrong.'
'You've also done some of the most memorable dance music
videos, are there any plans for videos from "Nukleopatra"?
There definitely will; we've already done one for Rebel Rebel as
well as rough cuts for a few other tracks, because we tend to
experiment a lot with the camera ourselves. All can say is things
will become available... if not on domestic release very soon,
somehow through the fan club. We'll do it because there is
genuine demand out there.
In your videos, you look like you really enjoy the
process...
It's very easy for me; We've never done longer than a one-day
shoot, we edit all our own videos as well. There is a video for
Rebel Rebel out now available through Japan and the fan club.
We've been doing it for so long that it's hard to put yourselves
in the hands of a video director. We have such a strong identity
and a strong sense of self, we're not really malleable, no one
can really change us.
Do you have a stylist to help you come up with your different
looks?
It's just a natural, organic process. I don't do it just for a
video or anything. That's the way I live my life really; I've
always treated my body as a house or something. If I want to
look different, I'll look different— it's not motivated by any
sort of fashion movement. Again, we all tend to have our own
identity and attract flamboyant people.
You've worked with a lot of influential producers/remixers on
your songs, are there any who you currently admire?
The last records that really impressed me were by the Utah
Saints. Since then. they've sort disappeared, which
I admire. .. they didn't saturate the market.
It seems nowadays that production and/or a remix can make or
break a song—no matter if there's any substance there or
not...
You see, that's really silly, because a lot of it has to do with
the remixers name. We say in England, ‘You can't polish a turd.'
If the track isn't good, a remixer shouldn't be able to gain any
more attention than the record deserves. This is something that
we've tried to resist; but eventually the record companies will
pressure you to work with certain remixers, I will assist and
have the final say; if it's got some remixers name on it but
isn't good, it isn't going out.
Musically, who do you listen to?
At the moment I like Prodigy's 'Firestarter'. However, that's not
a musical direction I'd like to go into myself. I tend to like
things that don't sound anything like us.
Upon listening to your first string of successful dance tracks
like '"You Spin Me 'Round", "Something In My House," and "Brand
New Lover," they were clearly ahead of their time, did you know
that when they hit, they'd go on to become some of the most
successful dance songs of all time?
No, it just seemed to be the right sound at the right time.
Although the producers Stock Aitken Waterman tend to take credit
for the sound, it's something that we'd labored on for awhile.
They did not add or subtract a thing from our sound; it's a mere
record company formality that we had some producers name on the
records. I would say we contributed very largely to the sound
that Stock, Aitken Waterman eventually gained success from. . .
I'd have to say that to this day there's a little bit of bad
blood in the air.
After a string of hugely successful worldwide hits, you seemed
to switch gears a bit in 1988, and capitalized on a popular sound
with roots in the states: The Miami/freestyle movement of the
late 80's.
We had spent a lot of time in America and all of a sudden out of
the blue there came a slew of records that really impressed me
by the Pantera group...
...Lewis A. Martinee!
Yeah, they did a couple of records by Expos . I remember
listening to the Expos records and thinking what a great sound
it was—then we tuned into the radio stations and heard all those
songs with 'The Miami Sound.' It was then that I wanted to do
something like that.
Come Home With Me Baby was, and still is such a terrific
song!
Thanks, I agree that it was a different sound—everyone that
reviewed it though said it was exactly the same stuff we'd always
done. There are many dimensions to dance music. Journalists try
to de-value it. English journalists, especially dismiss dance
music as crap.
How did you come up with such a visually and phonetically
appealing title for your
current album Nukleopatra?
I came up with it using ‘nukle' as in bomb, and I'd also been
reading things about ancient Egypt and their blurred gender
lines.. . I just went from there.
Are you still married ?
Yeah.
When you're not touring where do you call home?
London but with all the touring, we're thinking about moving to
New York.
Are there any projects DOA is currently working on?
Yeah, we're writing at the moment. Steve also wanted me to tell
you that we're going to re-record 'You Spin Me 'Round.'
Anything else that you'd like to say to your adoring
fans?
We'll be back in the states touring through December and there
will definitely be a Greatest Hits package released.
Will this coincide with an a record deal?
Well I'd like it to and if not, somehow we'll get around it.
We've functioned before a record deal and fortunately kept a
loyal fan base.
Special thanks to Lin Benfield and Randall Warren at Central
Records and Jodi Sullivan of The Baha nightclub in Charlotte,
N.C. for their efforts in arranging this interview.

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